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on Friday, March 27, 2009Much said and done about the absolute requirement of the Original Document to apply for the re - registration of a birth in Lisbon Portugal. There are many cases which have been successful without submission of the Original Document. After some research one can register a birth even without the Original Document if you have an appointed person in Portugal who can go and explain to the Conservador the originality of the documents submited and the person whos birth has to be registered.
There are many such persons provided by these so called Agents for Portuguese Passports but till today I haven't seen anyone getting a straight answer. Are these agents taking us for a ride?
Why do we need these agents? We have the help from the Portuguese Consulate in Goa, but to get the actual fact we need someone in Portugal who will make inquires on your behalf or Call the Conservatoria Dos Registos directly.
Stay tuned for more information about Registration of Birth without the Original Document.
Portuguese Passport Agents In Goa
on Tuesday, March 24, 2009Few years back like in 1993 there was only one know so called agent who used to live in Portugal and when on vacation used to help Goans regain their lost Portuguese Nationality and than the Portuguese Passport. I still remember people coming to visit this gentleman from far away places like Daman & Diu. He used to help these people and many still sing praises for this gentleman. In recent years many establishments have become functional to assist Goans to regain their lost Portuguese Nationality and than the Portuguese Passport. Many of these agents have an advantage over the rest as they can speak,read & write Portuguese, but if you analyse these agents they do the same procedure than is done and told by the Portuguese Consulate in Goa. If you have any difficulty they are unable to help nor willing to help to hide their in capabilities to solve the issue.
I understand many Goan who pursue the Portuguese Nationality are NRI's and have little or no time to understand and deal with the blockage of the process. Many Goans who had submits their parents birth registration are still waiting for an answer from Consevatoria dos Registos Centrais in Lisbon. These agents who had helped these people during the initial stages are helpless too as they themself have no clue where & whom to contact. The next fear they put in the applicants mind is not to harrass the staff of the Consevatoria dos Registos Centrais - Lisbon as they can tear and trash your process anytime they wish. This is totally false the applicant can call the Conservatoria dos Registos Centrais as many times as they wish or write or fax to them. They have to answer to us and if they don't answer then we can approach the higher ups, whatever it may be they have to answer to the applicant. Any process to register birth should not take more than nine months for person who are born before 19th December 1961.
The only roadblock we Goans face is the language barrier. For the last few days I have been in constant contact with different lawyers in Portugal and there are many new things I have learnt from the correspondence. One important I have discovered is that you can register the birth without any OLD ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, this is a big relief to many Goans who have either discarded or destroyed their Original Document. The process is slightly lenghty but yes one can register the birth in Portugal.
Portuguese Nationality for Goans is a birth right and we all should make every use of it. The famous case of Fr. Chico Monteiro of Candolim will explain to you why the Goans who were born before 20th December 1961 were forced to take India citizenship. All the residents of Goa, Daman & Diu before 20th December 1961 were Portuguese Nationals, on or after 20th December 1961 the resident of Goa were given an option to leave Goa and return to Portugal or remain in Goa as Indian Citizen. During this time many Goans left for Portugal and those who remained were granted Indian Citizenship.To re - obtain these lost citizenship or Nationality as they say it in Portugal we (Goa, Daman & Diu) have to prove ourself that we were original Portuguese Nationals or decendents of Portuguese Nationals.
Please visit here to get more information about the documents required to file for re - registration of the birth. Please make sure the spellings of all the names on your certificates are same and they should all be in sync with each other. If some of the names have different spellings for are not sync with each other please make the changes before hand to reduce the delays and hassels in the later part of the process. I have known cases where in just a single alphabet was created long delays and unwanted hassels. To get the correct spellings and sync please consult the local offices for the procedures.
Once you have all the names in the same order and with the same spellings, I advise to do the submission in Lisbon - Portugal. It is expensive but the work done is much faster than if you submit it in the Portugal Consulate in Goa. Birth registration submitted in Portugal are followed by the respect attorney or appointed person who will plead your case with the concerned authority. and get faster results.
This morning I was in Panjim at the office of the Archives situated in Althino..... not the head office but a separate office of the Department of Archives. I was to collect the so called Old Portuguese Document (original document) for a friend of mine. To my surprise the department still has the register of the Documentos Para Viagem and not the original Documents. If you are lucky to trace your name than you can get a copy of the register book. I quickly asked the office clerk if the Portuguese Consulate in Goa accepts these copies as an original document and YES was the quick reply " yea certified copies mure sarke originalacho copies". BTW don't get excited these copies are not the old documents which is one of the requirement to apply for Portuguese Passport ( the correct term is Portuguese Nationality but the passport works in Goa)
The said office is located in Althino take the road towards the Chief Ministers official residence, make a left turn, than a right turn besides the Bishops Palace and proceed till you come to an intersection of 3 road. The office is on the left side, prior to this it housed the mental hospital.
Portuguese Nationality Law for Goa, Daman & Diu
on Monday, March 23, 2009Portuguese Nationality Law
Decreto-Lei n. 308-A/1975, 24th June - "Lei da Nacionalidade Portuguesa"
Diário do Governo I Série - Número 143 – Terça Feira 24 de Junho de 1975
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Artigo 1º. 1. Conservam a Nacionalidade os seguintes portugueses domiciliados em território ultramarino tornado independente:
- Os nascidos em Portugal continental e nas ilhas adjacentes.
- Até à independencia do respectivo território, os nascidos em território ultramarino ainda sob administração portuguesa.
- Os nacionalizados.
- Os nascidos no estrangeiro de pai ou mãe nascidos em Portugal ou nas ilhas adjacentes ou de naturalizados, assim como, até à independência do respectivo território, aqueles cujo pai ou mãe tenham nascido em território ultramarino ainda sob administração portuguesa.
- Os nascidos no Antigo Estado da India que declarem querer conservar a Nacionalidade Portuguesa.
- A mulher casada com, ou viúva ou divorciada de, português dos referidos nas alíneas anteriores e os filhos menores deste.
Artigo 2º.
1. Conservam igualmente a nacionalidade portuguesa os seguintes individuos:
- Os nascidos em território ultramarino tornado independente que estivessem domiciliados em Portugal continental ou nas ilhas adjacentes há mais de cinco anos em 25 de Abril de 1974.
- A mulher e os filhos menores dos individuos referidos na alínea anterior.
Artigo 3º.
Para os fins do presente diploma, e salvo prova em contrário, presumem-se nascidos em Portugal continental, nas ilhas adjacentes e nos territórios ultramarinos os individuos ali expostos.
Artigo 4º.
Perdem a nacionalidade portuguesa os individuos nascidos ou domiciliados em território ultramarino tornado independente que não sejam abrangidos pelas disposições anteriores.
Artigo 5º.
Em casos especiais, devidamente justificados, não abranjidos por este diploma, o Conselho de Ministros, directamente ou por delegação sua, poderá determinar a conservação da nacionalidade portuguesa, ou conceder esta, com dispensa, neste caso, de todos ou alguns dos requisitos exigidos pela base XII da lei nº. 2098, de 29 de Julho de 1959, a individuo ou individuos nascidos em território ultramarino que tenha estado sob administração portuguesa e respectivos cônjuges e descendentes.
Artigo 6º.
1. É obrigatório o registo, na Conservatória dos Registos Centrais de Lisboa, das declarações previstas nos artigos 1º., numero 2, e 2º. Numero 2.
2. A declaração de opção prevista no artigo 2º., numero 2, será instruida com documento que prove ser o declarante nacional do novo Estado Independente.
Artigo 7º.
O pedido de registo de nascimentos dos individuos que conservam a nacionalidade, nos termos deste diploma, quando necessário, será instruido com prova dos factos de que depende a conservação da nacionalidade.
Artigo 8º.
São gratuitos todos os actos, processos e registos resultantes da aplicação deste diploma, bem como os documentos necessários à sua instrução.
Visto e aprovado em Conselho de Ministros - Vasco dos Santos Gonçalves – Álvaro Cunhal – Francisco José Cruz Pereira de Moura – Joaquim Jorge Magalhães Mota – Mário Alberto Nobre Lopes Soares – António de Almeida Santos – António Carlos Magalhães Arnão Metelo – Francisco Salgado Zenha – Ernesto Augusto de Melo Antunes – Jorge Correia Jesuíno. Promulgado em 21 de Junho de 1975. Publique-se. O Presidente da Républica – FRANCISCO DA COSTA GOMES
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Bad news folks the record room at the Margao Sub - Register is indeed messy, unorganized and full of dust. Almost half the record books are missing completely and some of them are half empty. Upon inquiring the staff at the record room says they lack the manpower for an organized and a smoother functioning. I put the same question to the sub - register himself who replied with the same answer. Is the sub - register unfit to do his job? If he is understaffed he should approach the proper authorities to get the required funding to organizeorganized the messy record room or resign for a more able person.
If the sub - register cannot locate your certificate or record than they ask you to re-register once again. For the people who have used the church for recording the birth,death or marriage they can get a copy from the church and once again re - register but what happens to the people who cannot produce one or the people who have not made any copies of the certificates issued to them. I think this whole setup of registering once again is the formation of a bubble which will burst shortly. If you have any legal claims than they will be delayed until the concerned authorities prove why you have been registered.
Lets put our views in the comment section and see how we can help this office to get organised. Further to this I ask each and everyone to write letters to the local news papers expressgrievancesrievences and frustrations.
Contact details for the local news papers editors are:
Oheraldo editor@herald-goa.com
Gomantak Times editor@gomantaktimes.com
Goadoot goadoot@rediffmail.com
Gomantak gteditor@gmail.com
Navhindtimes lpost@navhindtimes.com & navhindtimes@navhindtimes.com
Sunaparant sunaparant@sancharnet.in
Tarun Bharat tarunad@rediffmail.com
Times of India - Goa mytimesmyvoice@timesgroup.com
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